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this isn't anything that just is limited

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to the united states it's a worldwide

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hello hi everyone and welcome to that

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ufo podcast the other show we are live

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on kg ra digital broadcasting dan how we

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doing today

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i'm impressed that was smooth you're

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going more natural every single week

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i was still on my phone for about two

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seconds before it was like i was like

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yeah um sounds good yeah thanks i'm just

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i do it in my sleep now um so listen

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welcome everyone to the live show again

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this is uh

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our second life and we did say we're

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going to do more of these so as much as

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we can we will be here live for you um

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big show this week we've got a lot to

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interview for you which is going to take

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up more than half the show that is with

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difficult questions that had to be asked

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we'll talk about that beforehand as well

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dan we're also going to talk about some

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of the listeners favorite ufo

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documentaries and so if you're in the

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chat hi to everyone in the chat shout

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out your favorite ufo documentaries and

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why

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appreciate you guys as well but first

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interview no pressure whatsoever here

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folks um oh i've just realized i've got

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my really unprofessional captain america

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move that away is this where we explain

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to everyone that you usually hold it off

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screen for inspiration

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house once this is done and on to the

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chat but dan listen let's kick off

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controversial week in terms of ufo news

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had a few days to process it the dust

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yeah you everyone just needs to get in

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that they want them to support the gila

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everyone who's celebrated i i'm still

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family movie um where they went off to a

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all yet if any on the the gila brand

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communication open with what's going on

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side of that passing the amendment could

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little bit of heated debate caused on

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the social media side of things but for

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it it's definitely been deliberate in

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getting back on track come come next

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weekend if anything hopefully this has

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hopefully some it's all good that comes

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ucr thanks guys again for the show

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that's that's where that would go or

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just on social media these days you know

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jeremy corbell whether you like it or

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not has the right idea and

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12 noon be here on my instagram channel

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here's some footage dropping he's not

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going to hold that for six months and

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release it as part of a documentary

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to be fair i prefer you know the whole

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12 noon thing to coming soon from time

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to long and you know we're still waiting

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on a lot of that

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yeah coming soon from tom delong a new

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limited edition baseball glove and ball

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no i am not i saw that today i got the

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emails as well but yeah so so for me the

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phenomenon james fox knocked out the

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park with that one we know he is working

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on the phenomenon too but we know before

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that next year around me or june

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hopefully we're going to get the the

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virginia case and the the documentary on

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that which he has said himself and i

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think james is really honest it's not

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going to be as big as the phenomenon and

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scope

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it's more of taking a piece of the

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phenomenon and really honing in on an

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aspect of that that documentary that's

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what he's done with this case and we

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should get some really some juicy

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information some some amazing testimony

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and something we can focus on in real

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detail as well so i look forward to that

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um i'd love to know some people in the

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chat's thoughts on their favorite ufo

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documentary stan because already we've

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got about eight minutes

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i want to ask you first dan will people

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put their favorites in

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on the the observers now we were lucky

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we got sent a screener of this early

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um we're going to do a full review for

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the podcast and we'll release that with

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our thoughts and we'll break it down we

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don't have a lot of time to do that here

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and i won't let to let people make up

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their own mind and we'll hear from the

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director and the executive producer

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first and hear their thoughts on it

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let's be fair it's been met with a mixed

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reception if you look at the the social

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media commentary what would your initial

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thoughts stand from the screener you got

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to see

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i i think i mean

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compared to what we had it's once again

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a marvel that we have so many to choose

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from now you know we baggage can't be

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choosers um

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but our standards have kind of you know

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our bar's gone up because the phenomena

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in 60 minutes were was so good um that

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that's like say they set the bar

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so

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more conspiracy-ish stuff um creeping in

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um was less than stellar for me but i

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thought it was really well put together

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um

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they kind of

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i felt like it was updating

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the the ufo community as opposed to the

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public there are a lot of figures in

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that that the public wouldn't really

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know you know who they were um but the

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guys were very sincere in the job they

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did and you know

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it all helps because it all helps reach

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different people

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i think people will see that in the

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interview and i think you said this to

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me yourself then when you watched it

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back that do you know what you actually

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feel listening to to both roger and leon

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talk that it wasn't a cash grab

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they themselves and here's a spoiler for

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the interview they they tell you there

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is nothing new

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in this documentary necessarily and that

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line surprised me when i was listening

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back

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and and you know what i i like to think

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i at least ask them questions that i

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i wasn't softballing them and i wanted

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them to be honest because i mentioned

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you know

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what about the reviews that came out and

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it was only about a day or two when we

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spoke to them but for me they were

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honest and that it's not groundbreaking

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it's not new and you know what it's not

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perfect i've got to say that but it was

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a collection of stories i suppose for me

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and this is down to the individual it

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does seem like a documentary of two

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parts with a rather odd segway in the

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middle where

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jesse ventura comes in and talks about

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jfk and it just seems to

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it's like nuts and bolts

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the worst spirit oh bang the worst

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spiritual side of things and in the

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middle with a couple of minutes overlap

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or jesse ventura goes pure conspiracy

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theory and it was a little bit oh that

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this has taken a bit of an odd turn um

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but yeah i think there's a lot to

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discuss that will go through in the

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review as well

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i mean i'll ask you really honestly dan

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um

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with the benefit of hindsight that

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you've seen it

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say i i'm gonna i'm gonna guess it's the

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same kind of names

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because it's low um

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not really adding much and then

404
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obviously it's being produced by jimmy

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church and one thing i will say and it's

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been brought up by a lot of people i was

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asked about it the music that plays from

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start to finish

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is pretty jarring and annoying

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imagine every single interview we done

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playing for the full hour or 90 minutes

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it just has that music playing over the

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entire thing and it just it just needed

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someone to say no take take that out we

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don't need to constantly hear this music

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over and over and over again

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and for me that was that was pretty uh

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pretty jarring and took you right out of

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it some of the the comments and we've

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got loads of them sent in as well so i

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apologize for the ones we don't get to

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on this show but we will when we review

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the observers on the main podcast which

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we'll be doing next week uh looking

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forward to a tear in the sky that's from

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vineyard disclosure team yeah from the

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uapx guys interested to see what they

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managed to put in there

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dave smithers ufos past present and

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future i saw a few people mention that

431
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on on ufo twitter

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unacknowledged was good um to sort the

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was good sort from uh apart from the

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false flag at cobblers

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yeah i think that acknowledges one of

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those now

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each time i have watched it back

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you

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the content created and

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it waters down a lot of the message off

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the back of it as well justin i think

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like myself you've said you've watched

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so many on amazon some good some not so

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good yeah there's that kind of

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self-publishing way that amazon tends to

446
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go with a lot of these as well um and

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we've got some really good one there's a

448
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there's a fantastic one on amazon and i

449
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say fantastic in in you know air quotes

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there um about

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um

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oh what's it called the welsh roswell i

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think it is i i recommend everyone look

454
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:41,440
it up very very 90s long leather trench

455
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coats you know just

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everything you you don't want but you

457
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know someone made it so go enjoy it it's

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fun

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yeah anything with the welsh in the

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title is definitely worth avoiding

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the nick gadman said that the phenomenon

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is the best hands down i know what i saw

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gets a mention in there as well history

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channels unexplained from dustin mccann

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thanks for that dustin walker said the

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phenomenon but also quite a few of you

467
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mentioned ross kiltart's documentary

468
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which sees ross himself going a bit of a

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a breaking bad style walter white

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journey from the start of the

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documentary to the end where he changes

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his opinion and becomes this totally

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different

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guy and you see ross now is so

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entrenched within the subject as well

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which has been absolutely fantastic

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folks just before we get to the

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interview which is going to be in just a

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minute or so dan and i will be around in

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the chat to discuss that as we go along

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dan if you've got much coming up this

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week or so uh do you want to talk about

483
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any projects you're working on

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uh only two as always mention the raffle

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uh we're fundraising for saint jude's

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and for the humane society international

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uh the raffle prize is a signed truth

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poster from louis lozando he signed that

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when we saw him in london

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um and also

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he's added for the person that gives the

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highest donation they will get a

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personal thank you call from lou himself

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which is

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you know like you said it's priceless

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but in this case you can put a price on

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it it's just the highest bid

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so yeah donate we're going to be

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fundraising right up until christmas and

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then i get to call some lucky people on

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folks we are all out of time we will

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join you in the chat dan look forward to

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speaking to you in the chat enjoy the

524
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director and executive producer of the

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observers now i will ask bill at kgra to

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roll the clip

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

528
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podcast my name is andy and i'm

529
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delighted to be joined by the executive

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producer and director both of the new

531
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observers documentary which has been out

532
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:27,280
now for one day as you're listening to

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this i've got executive producer leon

534
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:31,120
kennedy and director roger richards

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good it's our pleasure to be here with

536
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,480
you

537
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:40,559
yeah i'll probably learn very quickly to

538
00:19:43,750 --> 00:19:42,000
address one of you at a time so we're

539
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not all shouting that's that's my bad

540
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:46,080
gents i'm so used to doing what it wins

541
00:19:49,750 --> 00:19:47,679
listen we'll start off roger you were

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first on so we'll kick off with yourself

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do you want to just tell the listeners a

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little bit about you

545
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:55,440
sure uh for me i'm an activist and

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artist and filmmaker um i've been a part

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of kind of the disclosure community or

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what people think of as kind of the

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truth community

550
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,000
which heavily involves you know looking

551
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:08,960
at things like extraterrestrial life

552
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:11,760
ufos but other things including you know

553
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:14,320
advanced technologies and the different

554
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:17,280
types of black budget government

555
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:19,200
programs that are kind of behind lock

556
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,280
and key and you know the the big

557
00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:23,120
umbrella of those things that you know

558
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:25,600
falls under that that that title of you

559
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,080
know the truth community and so for me

560
00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:30,159
i'm an activist and an artist in that

561
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,360
space and um my form is is film right

562
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,280
now and and trying to

563
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:37,840
document and capture these fascinating

564
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,200
stories of people experiencers witnesses

565
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:43,200
you know researchers

566
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:44,880
you know people that are

567
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:46,880
a part of this community and doing the

568
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,600
real real investigative work and

569
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,520
discovery work process sharing

570
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,240
themselves uh with the world here in

571
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,320
regards to things that are out of place

572
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,559
and things that don't make sense and

573
00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,320
this is a big key part of what the

574
00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,159
observers is about and the title of the

575
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,080
observers is really about us

576
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,240
collectively observing truth together

577
00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:08,400
and understanding that each one of us

578
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:11,200
has a piece to kind of that observation

579
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,039
and peace to that puzzle

580
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,520
all of us observing that uh piece

581
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:18,480
together we're really kind of missing a

582
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,039
perception a point of view in that hole

583
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,600
and so it's really about looking at the

584
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:25,200
the things that

585
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,080
we

586
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:28,960
need to pull out collectively and

587
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,480
this is done through the art of

588
00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:32,559
observation the movement the observer's

589
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,000
movement and that's essentially what

590
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,159
this film is and and that's uh kind of

591
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,320
my medium of work is is direct action

592
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,520
through art

593
00:21:42,630 --> 00:21:41,120
no thank you and leon what about

594
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,640
yourself

595
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:44,480
well andy i

596
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,000
have always been

597
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,799
very very curious and and fascinated

598
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,600
with

599
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:51,760
what is beyond

600
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,039
what the norm is uh when i was a little

601
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:57,440
guy i always said you know if i could

602
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,159
just make friends with an ep

603
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,159
so much knowledge i get so many

604
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:04,480
questions i can bounce off

605
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:07,200
uh so i've always been curious and then

606
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,640
way back in 1971 and i started off

607
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,280
in media young so i was the youngest

608
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:15,840
producer over at nbc and i wanted to do

609
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,880
a show based upon aliens and so on so

610
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,640
forth and they said leon it's that's

611
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,240
just too far out

612
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,919
it's not going to be accepted

613
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:25,520
but i was finally able to push it

614
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,480
through and uh stanton friedman uh way

615
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,200
back then and had a great show and they

616
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:33,280
had the highest rating that

617
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:35,679
the time slot had ever had so i've

618
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:39,280
always been out to push the envelope and

619
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,390
he passed away now but

620
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,720
he was the creator and producer of

621
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:48,640
ancient aliens and actually i was in his

622
00:22:52,390 --> 00:22:49,600
office

623
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,400
when that deal was made i was always

624
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,799
watching every single show that they

625
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,480
that they did

626
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,679
so it's just a fascinating subject so

627
00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:01,440
working with roger

628
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:03,520
to be able to bring

629
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:06,400
new information new truth

630
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:07,360
uh

631
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:10,400
to society and to individuals

632
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,480
is a very very um adventurous journey

633
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,480
for us listen let's go back to yourself

634
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,200
roger um when did the idea for this

635
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,200
piece come about

636
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:23,360
i think the observers was you know

637
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,200
something that uh came about at the

638
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:28,159
beginning of uh 2020 um you know when

639
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:31,760
the pandemic hit and for me as somebody

640
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,799
that tracks you know the the archetypes

641
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,440
that show up in the common vernacular of

642
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,520
you know are our pop culture this is

643
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,200
this is something that i'm fascinated by

644
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,440
it's it's you can watch a lot by the way

645
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,360
that companies brand themselves and

646
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:47,520
directions the colors they use the the

647
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,080
type of um you know neural neural

648
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:52,240
linguistic programming that's involved

649
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,600
at those times and around 2020 uh when

650
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:58,080
the pandemic hit i started to see a

651
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:01,760
cascade of archetypes that were telling

652
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,799
um

653
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,120
quite an interesting story is as to the

654
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,360
possibilities of what may be downstream

655
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,520
and so i started tracking those um you

656
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,440
know observing these archetypes in

657
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,400
regards to the disclosure community uh

658
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,320
the release of suppressed technologies

659
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:18,159
the acknowledgement of extraterrestrial

660
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:20,640
life on top of what we're kind of

661
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,039
experiencing in regards to a political

662
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,760
war that's happening um and then also a

663
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:27,279
secret war

664
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:28,559
you know that's happening within the

665
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,880
intelligence agencies behind behind the

666
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,320
scenes right now and especially the

667
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,799
united states and so these things i've

668
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:36,799
been kind of watching and and pulling

669
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,520
into my film work over the last uh two

670
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:41,760
years here and the observers is is

671
00:24:47,350 --> 00:24:44,559
is a an aggregate of an understanding

672
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:47,360
around what really

673
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,799
ufos represent as a as an archetype to

674
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,000
the world

675
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,640
the acknowledgement of this technology

676
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,720
um the acknowledgment of where it came

677
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:59,520
from who who made it

678
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:02,480
why they are here uh the the types of

679
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,159
interactions with people that they've

680
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,400
had here the types of interactions with

681
00:25:10,630 --> 00:25:08,159
governments and the programs all of this

682
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:10,640
stuff is much bigger than the laughing

683
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:13,840
subject of oh you know goofy martians uh

684
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,400
this is free energy this is uh

685
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,159
inalienable human rights from the

686
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,120
standpoint of housing health care you

687
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,360
know food water all of these things for

688
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:25,039
every child that could be born on this

689
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:27,600
planet comes from technology that is

690
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:30,559
witnessed and represented in the idea of

691
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,440
a ufo and so the observers is an

692
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,520
aggregate story of approaching all of

693
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,120
those subjects that kind of fold

694
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:39,679
underneath that umbrella of kind of this

695
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,440
observer movement disclosure movement

696
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,440
leon when did you first get involved

697
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,120
with the project and what was it that

698
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,840
excited you most

699
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:51,679
well roger and i have worked together in

700
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,880
the past and in talking about what's the

701
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:56,400
next project

702
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,159
uh roger had this great idea that

703
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,640
developed into the observers

704
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,039
what excited me is

705
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,520
the fact that i don't think that we need

706
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,360
to wait for any government for

707
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,520
disclosure i think that

708
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,000
true disclosure is going to come from

709
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:16,480
thousands and then tens of thousands of

710
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,520
people with their own observations with

711
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,000
the things that they bring to the light

712
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,279
and so i see this documentary

713
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:28,159
becoming an actual movement

714
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,159
and there's a lot of things that we're

715
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:32,320
going to be doing uh with this

716
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,000
documentary and even after the

717
00:26:38,789 --> 00:26:36,960
documentary has continued to play as a

718
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,799
matter of fact uh andy with your

719
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,559
listeners we're going to ask them to

720
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,559
write their own mini reviews and send

721
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:44,240
them to amazon

722
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,480
and then to send

723
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:48,640
anyone that's had their own uh

724
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:51,039
observance to send it to us we've got a

725
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:53,200
brand new platform coming out called

726
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:56,720
oren and we're going to be uh collecting

727
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,240
these different uh interactions

728
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,480
now leon

729
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,919
as well

730
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,000
who is this film for now the the

731
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,000
phenomenon by james fox is probably the

732
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,480
biggest ufo documentary in the last 10

733
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,240
20 years and it's fair to say many

734
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:14,480
people see it at this point as the

735
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:16,559
standard bearer what do you think the

736
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:20,880
observers can add to this discussion

737
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:22,799
well i can only tell you the type of

738
00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:25,520
feedback we've gotten

739
00:27:30,870 --> 00:27:29,120
now for example you take someone like

740
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:30,880
linda molten howe who's been in the

741
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,520
trenches as an investigative journalist

742
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:35,919
for many many decades

743
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:39,039
and she stated something to this effect

744
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,320
hi jimmy hi leon hi roger i just watched

745
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,399
the 90 minute of the observers

746
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,399
i am moved to my core

747
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:48,640
i want to encourage the whole world to

748
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,679
see this

749
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:52,000
and thank you for having me to

750
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:53,279
participate

751
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:55,679
there is deep power in the evolut

752
00:28:03,110 --> 00:27:59,440
evolution of truth the truth the truth

753
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:03,120
woven in the unrelenting and haunting

754
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:04,240
process

755
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:07,600
of this documentary may this work help

756
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:10,320
pry open the long-suppressed

757
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:12,880
truths that we're not alone

758
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,080
in this universe

759
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,080
i would ask the same question over to

760
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,159
yourself roger what do you think this

761
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:22,399
piece is adding to the conversation

762
00:28:27,510 --> 00:28:24,399
i think what this piece is doing is it's

763
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:27,520
it's helping to show people um a clearer

764
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,200
picture as far as you know the the

765
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:33,200
all the different researchers and the

766
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:34,960
different avenues that this topic

767
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,480
touches like i said uh you know this

768
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:39,600
this

769
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:42,720
archetype of the ufo and which is now

770
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,320
kind of transmuted into the uap uh that

771
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:49,440
that archetype that it holds for society

772
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,960
it goes much more beyond the idea of

773
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,360
extraterrestrial contact for us here on

774
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,320
this planet and so the the observers is

775
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,440
really about showing people that

776
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,640
understanding and and allowing them to

777
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:06,320
understand too that

778
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,720
our our problems on this planet all the

779
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,520
social justice issues that we have all

780
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:13,679
the divides that we have this is all

781
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,159
resolved through the anomaly of you know

782
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:18,080
understanding we're not alone in this

783
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,919
universe and understanding this

784
00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:21,440
technology

785
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,600
energy the idea the idea of you know

786
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:28,720
electrogravitics these these things that

787
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,840
are a part of um the uh the

788
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,360
understanding of this technology the

789
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,520
torsion mathematics that are involved in

790
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,760
understanding these theories this is the

791
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,600
quantum revolution that's happening

792
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,159
right now where the technology that is

793
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,399
being rolled out over the next 10 years

794
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:47,120
in the public sector that will become a

795
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,159
part of our everyday use is also a part

796
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,799
of understanding what a one and a zero

797
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,760
is at the same time the paradox of the

798
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:57,919
the quantum reality and when we go into

799
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,240
those deep meditations collectively

800
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,320
through understanding this technology

801
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,320
through working with it through using

802
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,640
brands that are associated with it what

803
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,399
happens to our consciousness is we

804
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:10,880
understand that we are one in that space

805
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:13,440
and and we are one and a zero so that

806
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,399
whole message is what's tied into the

807
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:18,480
observers here and this is what it's

808
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,720
bringing it's not necessarily a bunch of

809
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,640
new information the new information is

810
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,480
that it's tied together

811
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:26,799
all together in this moment right here

812
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:29,600
and now to deliver this message and that

813
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:31,679
is what the observers is uh you know

814
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,039
doing

815
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:35,120
i would ask you as well roger

816
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,399
it's mentioned and i won't be giving

817
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:38,399
away spoilers within this people will

818
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,000
watch it and put together their own

819
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:42,000
perspectives but it's mentioned that

820
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:44,640
louis elizondo comes in at the 11th hour

821
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,799
was there any impact if he wasn't able

822
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,480
to contribute

823
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:50,799
i think that absolutely

824
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:53,039
uh you know this the story was focusing

825
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,360
on the uap report and essentially you

826
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,679
know this upwell of what was happening

827
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,600
over the last couple of years that

828
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,919
included and was spearheaded by you know

829
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,559
people like lou and

830
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,559
you know tom delong and chris mellon

831
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,039
others in that space and so in the pop

832
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,440
culture uh vernacular of what people see

833
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:14,720
on mainstream media lou holds a very

834
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:17,519
particular archetype around um you know

835
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,440
closure and there has been somewhat of a

836
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,080
of an odds that are happening with kind

837
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,720
of the pop culture disclosure and the

838
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,360
sub pop culture disclosure community in

839
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,159
that place and everybody is uh you know

840
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,840
questioning each other and everybody's

841
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:36,000
wondering you know who's legitimate what

842
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,760
are their what are their agendas

843
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:39,120
essentially for these things and that's

844
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,720
a beautiful experience for all of us

845
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,320
because again this is observing

846
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,480
collectively together but in the same

847
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,559
way the idea of

848
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,480
you know moving forward we cannot move

849
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,080
forward without all of us because where

850
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:52,399
we go together we go all of us in that

851
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,600
space and with lou his arrival at the

852
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:57,679
11th hour and his choice to be a part of

853
00:32:02,149 --> 00:32:00,240
the message of this film i think shows

854
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,159
great um

855
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,320
energy in the idea of all of us going

856
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,919
somewhere together on this we don't

857
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,919
quite know where it's going yet we all

858
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,519
have a lot of ideas and a lot of

859
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,519
inspirations about this movement this

860
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,640
year and our collective especially our

861
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,480
little affinity group that's you know

862
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,159
focused on disclosure through art and

863
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:20,640
music and media we've got some some

864
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,640
definite plans for bringing this energy

865
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,720
forward and you know lou is always

866
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,320
invited into that space along with

867
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:27,600
anybody else that would be willing to

868
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:28,399
hold

869
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,279
you know support collectively

870
00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:33,279
leon were there any moments during

871
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:34,960
production that you felt were

872
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:37,039
particularly powerful or impactful for

873
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:38,480
you

874
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,720
yes but before i answer that one andy i

875
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,039
want to just do another layer to what

876
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:45,200
roger was speaking on when he talked

877
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,080
about the

878
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:48,240
the impact of of this type of

879
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:50,799
information when it came to technology

880
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,679
or ai's or whatever but on a spiritual

881
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:55,039
level

882
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,480
especially

883
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:58,880
in the united states but all around the

884
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,080
world there

885
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,039
there's division like never before

886
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,039
whether it be color

887
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,000
or class or what sex or individual is

888
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,120
etc etc now if we

889
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:13,919
finally can show the world

890
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,110
people or beings from

891
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:23,279
other planets other

892
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:26,960
galaxies etc etc then how can the human

893
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:30,399
race have so much division within itself

894
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:32,960
when now we have to know that there are

895
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,640
other races out here i think that when

896
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:38,720
disclosure hits

897
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,640
in a full way

898
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:43,279
that it's going to totally change the

899
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,640
mindset

900
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:47,519
of how we go about our daily lives and

901
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:50,320
our daily thinking and the way we look

902
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,519
and treat

903
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:53,200
one another so i think that's a very

904
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,039
important aspect

905
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:57,200
as far as your other question here andy

906
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,919
is

907
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:59,600
in production

908
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:00,399
uh

909
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,320
my biggest anxiety was really

910
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,200
there is so much richness here

911
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:09,679
i i mean our our cast

912
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:12,560
is first of all a dream cast with with

913
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:15,280
the people that we have uh these are

914
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:16,320
veteran

915
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,879
uh individuals that have dedicated their

916
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:21,440
entire life and all parts of their life

917
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,320
to

918
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,560
finding the truth

919
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,320
and they were all

920
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,480
on the top of their game for this

921
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,440
particular documentary so it was we had

922
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:33,839
so much it's almost what are we gonna

923
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,879
use and roger and i had many

924
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,679
conversations as to this is too good to

925
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,320
go on the cutting floor but you know you

926
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:45,119
can only have so many hours to put into

927
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,480
a documentary so that was uh one of the

928
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,480
main concerns andy

929
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,560
i was going to ask i i don't know who

930
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,839
wants to answer this or who would be

931
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,839
best to answer this question but what

932
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:57,680
was left on the cutting room floor was

933
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,920
there any one piece particularly that

934
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:02,160
you really wanted to get in but it just

935
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:04,240
wasn't right for this piece well the

936
00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,400
most amazing thing about what we've done

937
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,160
as a collective here with this film is

938
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:10,720
there you know at the end of you know

939
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,880
what we harvested uh in regards to

940
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,800
everyone's conversation we had over 20

941
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,040
plus hours and so what we've done is

942
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:20,160
that information is so important um and

943
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,240
it was so hard to choose you know what

944
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,720
kind of made it into the the primer

945
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,720
which was the you know the 90 minute

946
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,720
film here but the rest of the footage is

947
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,160
all being released to the public in

948
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,160
chunks you know for free in in this

949
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,400
experience as far as you know going out

950
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:35,760
and sharing through marketing media

951
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,079
pieces what's available on the orin as

952
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,720
far as um the extended uh you know

953
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:42,560
conversations that happened around the

954
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,440
round table and individual exposes all

955
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,280
of this stuff is going out to the public

956
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,359
um so there's nothing from the cutting

957
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,160
room floor of any kind of significance

958
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:54,640
that is not kind of making it out there

959
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:57,359
these messages from you know these

960
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,960
people and the interviews they came

961
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,520
through were so uh powerfully important

962
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,839
we felt that this was kind of the the

963
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,760
bigger gift that we all buckled down to

964
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,760
do is really look at all of the content

965
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:09,680
that was there and make sure it was all

966
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,359
kind of published throughout there and

967
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,359
the observer is the film it's it's the

968
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,280
way to kind of you know fund all of this

969
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,280
and get all this information out and and

970
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,960
it's a great gift for the family to

971
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,640
share it's an opportunity to sit around

972
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,560
in the holidays and have a really

973
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:24,640
incredibly deep and wild conversation

974
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,040
about all of these things but um there's

975
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,280
the majority of the message uh you know

976
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:31,359
ninety percent of it is being uh put out

977
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:32,560
there through all of the stuff that

978
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,839
actually didn't make it into the film

979
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,440
for free

980
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,280
roger you mentioned just before

981
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,440
interestingly other voices potentially

982
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:42,079
within this movement now richard dolan

983
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,920
jimmy church linda walton howe whitley

984
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,079
streber and others they've been doing

985
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,240
this for a long time and this is not to

986
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,640
downplay their roles for many what they

987
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,320
have done for this topic and subject

988
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:54,560
through the decades is immeasurable

989
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:57,920
as an argument in 2021 and forward

990
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,720
there's no room and time for fresher and

991
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,720
newer voices and faces to be added to

992
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,960
that sort of conversation and just in

993
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,800
thinking many of the expos or

994
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,560
conferences that go on in the us for

995
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,119
example have many of the same names year

996
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:13,200
after year after year and the topics

997
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:15,359
come so much further forward is there

998
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,839
any name or anyone in mind outside of

999
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,839
the usual circle that you would look to

1000
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,079
for future well that's so interesting

1001
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,240
that you said that because you know in

1002
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,400
the observers here you do have an an

1003
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,200
incredible group of a-listers in regards

1004
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,560
to the researchers and the people of the

1005
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,040
community but the the person that really

1006
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:35,839
kind of took the cake for the film here

1007
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,839
um there's a woman named debbie cobble

1008
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:39,760
and she's an experiencer that's you know

1009
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,400
fairly unknown and she came to the film

1010
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,920
you know for the purpose of being

1011
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:46,240
interviewed through linda here and on

1012
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,359
the set

1013
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,440
i realized her experience was something

1014
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,119
that was far more incredible that needed

1015
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,200
to be told more and

1016
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,280
i asked to do an interview with her also

1017
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:57,280
in addition to solo and what came out of

1018
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,960
that was

1019
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:01,200
some of the most powerful moments in my

1020
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,839
opinion to the entire film which is you

1021
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,760
know a mother who went through the

1022
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,440
experience of abduction

1023
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,160
which was incredibly traumatic um she

1024
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,079
this was associated with the loss of a

1025
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,160
child where she was pregnant and it was

1026
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,040
you know sudden she wasn't pregnant

1027
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,960
and then having to go through that and

1028
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:21,040
also being a part of the ufo community

1029
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,480
in regards to working with people like

1030
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:24,640
bud hopkins who helped her you know pull

1031
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:27,680
apart her her case and now coming full

1032
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:30,320
circle she knew that she always had

1033
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:31,760
something to do

1034
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,480
you know uh to support this this work

1035
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,400
around here and her acknowledgement of

1036
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,720
that in the film happens right on camera

1037
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,640
and it's um it's one of the most moving

1038
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:42,400
pieces in the whole film and so to

1039
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,960
answer your question yes the the and

1040
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,040
this is what the observers represents is

1041
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:48,800
a movement and what leon was sharing

1042
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,359
around you know when we use a hashtag

1043
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,200
the observers and people want to step

1044
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:54,880
forward and and say you know what

1045
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:56,960
something did strange happen to me too

1046
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:59,920
and yeah you're not a freak for talking

1047
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,440
about it you don't need to be scared

1048
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:03,520
about it but we can collectively

1049
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:05,839
aggregate that together in a digital

1050
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,560
domain under the hashtag the observers

1051
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:10,960
and the observers is this collective

1052
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,280
vision of all of us highlighting what's

1053
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:15,520
out of place and so the work that the

1054
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,680
oran is doing as far as a platform also

1055
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:19,839
extends into conferences and bringing

1056
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,160
people into the real world and that is a

1057
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,560
big part of what we're going to is

1058
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:26,400
looking for new voices that are coming

1059
00:39:30,390 --> 00:39:28,400
forward now that are finally waking up

1060
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:30,400
and they know their mission and they

1061
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,160
know they need to speak out because it

1062
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:34,560
is the voices of thousands that will be

1063
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:37,839
able to articulate all of the things

1064
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:39,359
that need to happen for the larger

1065
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:41,920
collective in order to draw this out

1066
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,160
from behind closed doors so most

1067
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,920
definitely you know in all of those

1068
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:48,320
aspects answering your question there

1069
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,720
thank you and andy it's it's a

1070
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:53,280
comfortable safe place in other words

1071
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:54,480
the message

1072
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,680
for those that have had an experience is

1073
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,119
come here

1074
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:00,960
share your experience

1075
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,040
you're going to be protected

1076
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:05,119
you're not going to be ridiculed

1077
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,400
there are other people that have gone

1078
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,960
through the same thing here is a nice

1079
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:10,480
safe place

1080
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,200
we have a big family here and you are

1081
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:16,160
part of that family

1082
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:17,599
no that's good to hear we've recently

1083
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,359
had some experiences on the podcast

1084
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,599
sharing their stories one to one and not

1085
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,359
to judge or you know decide if someone's

1086
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,720
telling the truth or not that's up to

1087
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:26,480
the individual but just to give people

1088
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,720
that platform to say say their piece and

1089
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,319
share their story which obviously you're

1090
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,160
doing in a much bigger scale with the

1091
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,480
digital release as well leon i would

1092
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,160
love to know was there anyone you would

1093
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,079
have wanted to have as part of this

1094
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,680
production but either they weren't

1095
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,680
available or they didn't want to comment

1096
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,200
i'm thinking you mentioned tom delong

1097
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:44,880
and christopher mellon were those people

1098
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,030
we had other uh individuals that we

1099
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:53,040
reached out to and then we had other

1100
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,960
individuals that came on

1101
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,040
once we were almost ready to start

1102
00:41:02,550 --> 00:40:59,440
production that wanted to get involved

1103
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:02,560
but by then andy we were out of space

1104
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:05,680
because to do justice to the individuals

1105
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:08,800
that we already had uh and as you know

1106
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,000
as a producer one has to look at okay

1107
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:14,960
how much time are we allotting to this

1108
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:17,760
individual as far as interviews but then

1109
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:21,200
also how much screen time can this one

1110
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,960
individual have

1111
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:25,200
because it's only going to be a two hour

1112
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,079
documentary so all these little things

1113
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,960
have to be calculated and massaged so

1114
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,280
there are others i won't mention names

1115
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,040
but there are others that we could not

1116
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,760
use on this one but we have other things

1117
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,400
coming down the pipe

1118
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,560
that's good to hear yeah

1119
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:44,800
um i would ask as well roger i'll go

1120
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,720
back to yourself on this one

1121
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,880
personally when i watched the the

1122
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:50,400
early advanced screening so thanks to

1123
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,839
those who sent me that

1124
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:53,599
i felt it was almost a documentary of

1125
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,079
two halves where you have a almost a

1126
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,240
nuts and bolts aspect as you talk about

1127
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,480
the task force report the build up from

1128
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,200
2017 louis lozando and chris mellon the

1129
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,200
tourist stars academy work

1130
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,200
then there's

1131
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,040
a moment in the middle again i want to

1132
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,200
spoil it there where the conversation

1133
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:13,839
comes off of ufos for a few minutes then

1134
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,680
we come back to it and it almost takes

1135
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,440
over i'm going to use the word the woo

1136
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,119
or i don't know the esoteric or whatever

1137
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,200
people want to describe it as but we go

1138
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:23,680
into that piece which is a deborah or

1139
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,560
debbie is a large part of and is that

1140
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,920
something that was deliberate that the

1141
00:42:32,230 --> 00:42:29,760
documentary feels like it's almost too

1142
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:32,240
put together it is most definitely

1143
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,400
deliberate and what you become when you

1144
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,280
become two is the idea of understanding

1145
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,920
uh the divide between science and

1146
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:42,000
spirituality and that is what's resolved

1147
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,440
through the quantum understanding and

1148
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,160
the paradox that's there the idea of

1149
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,160
understanding your connections to all

1150
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:50,000
things your entanglement with all things

1151
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,079
is one source of consciousness the

1152
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,079
synchronicities that happen the magic

1153
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,079
that can be conjured up in that space

1154
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:58,480
collectively through uh the the

1155
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:00,880
collective focus of what we choose to

1156
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,599
observe um all of these things are a

1157
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:06,480
part again of what is uh the

1158
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:08,880
the anomaly that uh is the ufo or the

1159
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,000
uap in that space and so the film as i

1160
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,240
was going through and kind of my mat fit

1161
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,400
of piecing together the the narrative

1162
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,319
that arrived there in in all of the

1163
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:20,880
conversations it became very very clear

1164
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:22,960
that that was part of what was trying to

1165
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,800
arrange itself was

1166
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,480
the unification and the bridging of

1167
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,400
those understandings between the

1168
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,880
spiritual world and the scientific world

1169
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:32,960
and that when those things happen it

1170
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:35,520
will be a great day for everyone every

1171
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,000
human being on this planet where all

1172
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,480
spiritual faiths can be acknowledged and

1173
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:42,640
honored for what they are which are

1174
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,520
incredibly beautiful humble traditions

1175
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,599
that go back to the idea of being one

1176
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:49,599
unity consciousness if you strip every

1177
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,760
religion down that's our that are the

1178
00:43:56,710 --> 00:43:53,520
base tenets and then on the other end of

1179
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:56,720
that science will acknowledge and humble

1180
00:44:03,589 --> 00:43:59,599
itself in the unknown and the the

1181
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,599
ability to to marvel at nature's way of

1182
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,280
just when you think you've captured it

1183
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:07,520
with an understanding it transforms in

1184
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,680
an instant the these these aspects of

1185
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,400
cross-acknowledgement in those two

1186
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,119
communities in that world is the

1187
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,000
unification of the the right and left

1188
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:19,440
the balance of the masculine and

1189
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,640
feminine and

1190
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,960
and the harmonization and chorus that we

1191
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,599
can all create together collectively in

1192
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,560
all of us that will sing out a whole new

1193
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,119
age a whole new world of expressing

1194
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:33,040
ourselves through creation and through

1195
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,960
joy and the celebration of this

1196
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,880
understanding and unification so it

1197
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,079
truly is

1198
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:40,800
uh the unification of two

1199
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:44,319
now andy in in going along with that

1200
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:45,680
we're dealing with a lot of different

1201
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:48,720
things here so it was the science then

1202
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,839
it was the facts then it was people like

1203
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,599
debbie and whitley who have been

1204
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:54,960
abducted so we're dealing with

1205
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,520
experiences and there's william henry

1206
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,440
and uh

1207
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:01,520
the spirituality part

1208
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,319
and

1209
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,560
then you have someone like jesse ventura

1210
00:45:11,430 --> 00:45:07,599
bringing in a whole different slant and

1211
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,440
then it's an entirely synergistic mix

1212
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,920
that had to take place and so even

1213
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,880
though

1214
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:16,720
roger and this is where roger is so

1215
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,000
brilliant he's able to pivot with the

1216
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,000
energetic flow

1217
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:24,160
and with that i mean putting all these

1218
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:26,000
different pieces together then seeing

1219
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,599
what was coming out

1220
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:29,440
and then there was another aspect andy

1221
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:33,040
that was quite fascinating we had cast

1222
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,400
dinners where the whole cast would sit

1223
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,480
and as they were sitting they would just

1224
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:41,280
be talking as friends who had admired

1225
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:43,599
each other for a long time but then they

1226
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:46,400
started interviewing one another

1227
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:49,040
about well in your book you said this

1228
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:49,760
and

1229
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,359
suggested to roger you know we've got to

1230
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:57,920
we've got to capture this i wish i had a

1231
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,560
camera at last night's dinner so then we

1232
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,720
went to have what we're now referring to

1233
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,200
is the round table discussion

1234
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,240
which was really an entire afternoon of

1235
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:11,680
this all-star cast really bouncing off

1236
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,240
one another so it was a lot that we

1237
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,640
already had a lot that roger had already

1238
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:19,520
planned and then new elements that came

1239
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:20,880
as we were

1240
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,720
day by day hour by hour participating

1241
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,240
no that would be a very interesting

1242
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,240
conversation to be a fly on the wall of

1243
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,319
i'm sure and something that i got a kick

1244
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,560
out of personally was a jesse ventura

1245
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,560
referring to tony shavonny who's a

1246
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,720
wrestling commentator and as a childhood

1247
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,400
wrestling fan and kind of lifelong fan

1248
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,800
that was a pleasant surprise to here for

1249
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,560
me to just be taken out the moment and

1250
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:44,560
brought back in so thanks for that

1251
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:47,200
listen just to wrap up roger what's the

1252
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,119
early feedback been like and you're not

1253
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,960
new to this subject and neither is leon

1254
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,119
you know regardless of what you make

1255
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,119
there's going to be a percentage of a

1256
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:56,800
backlash and people who aren't happy

1257
00:47:01,030 --> 00:46:58,960
because it's not their narrative that

1258
00:47:02,950 --> 00:47:01,040
they choose to go along with so what has

1259
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:02,960
the early feedback been like

1260
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:05,440
uh i've got nothing really but positive

1261
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,920
feedback from you know the the the

1262
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:09,520
people that have been in the film and

1263
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:12,640
and the the community you know kind of

1264
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,200
uh response and whole the the little

1265
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:17,839
bits of like uh negative reviews that

1266
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,119
i've seen are are really frustrated with

1267
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,440
um you know the feeling that uh there's

1268
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,839
nothing new they're not seeing you know

1269
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,440
disclosure rolled out right in front of

1270
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:29,119
their eyes we're not wheeling out an

1271
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,040
extraterrestrial to like make us a

1272
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,200
subway sandwich together like it's just

1273
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,160
not happening and so i think that is the

1274
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,240
message of this film though so even in

1275
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:40,160
the negative reviews here

1276
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,079
it it's not happening like that anymore

1277
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:43,920
people it's it's not coming from that

1278
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,520
place where we're waiting for a

1279
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:47,440
disclosure to happen from the government

1280
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:48,880
it's it's it's not going to happen it's

1281
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,720
going to come from us and this is where

1282
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,160
it starts here and this is where it

1283
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,400
begins and so the commitments to you

1284
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,119
know the observer movement and and

1285
00:48:03,270 --> 00:47:59,920
observing with this entire collective as

1286
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,280
a we in this space is so so important

1287
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,760
for anybody that feels frustrated with

1288
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,839
uh disclosure not being here now and

1289
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,839
they're tired of waiting and you know

1290
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,520
this movie just represents all the

1291
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,280
things that we haven't got yet well

1292
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,280
that's his purpose in that same way it's

1293
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,119
it's about movement now

1294
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,040
and so andy

1295
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:21,440
once again i go back to asking your

1296
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,520
listeners to write their own mini

1297
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,000
reviews and send them to amazon uh

1298
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:28,319
because we're certainly going to be

1299
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,640
watching them and and

1300
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:32,480
you know really paying attention to what

1301
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,760
they have to say and also

1302
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,240
uh this is a gift that keeps on giving

1303
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,319
so christmas is right around the corner

1304
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:42,800
here this is an ideal christmas gift

1305
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:43,920
because

1306
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:46,319
it supplies many different levels in

1307
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:48,079
other words for those that have been

1308
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,119
curious well here look at this

1309
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,599
for those that are not believers were

1310
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:55,440
here you should check this out and then

1311
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,520
come back to me with your opinion

1312
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,240
for those that want to learn more well

1313
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:02,160
here's another teaching tool to learn

1314
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,599
more so i would ask people to consider

1315
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:07,920
this as a christmas gift to share

1316
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,319
because that's going to expand the

1317
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,960
ongoing conversation

1318
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,559
i'm going to stay with you leon and ask

1319
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:16,640
you both one final question and you

1320
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,520
first

1321
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,440
if i was to ask you leon what do you

1322
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,520
think the phenomenon as what are we

1323
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:22,880
dealing with

1324
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,920
well how would you answer that

1325
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,839
are you talking about et's

1326
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,680
is that what you're doing that's just

1327
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,040
the whole phenomenon if you think it's

1328
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,520
et's inter-dimensional all under one

1329
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,079
umbrella then what do you think

1330
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:39,200
well there's a lot to that andy uh

1331
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:41,839
and here's what i mean by that there are

1332
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:45,119
so many different galaxies out there

1333
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:48,240
each with their own suns planets etc etc

1334
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:51,520
so we don't even know the the entire

1335
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:54,400
scope of what's out there but just from

1336
00:49:56,549 --> 00:49:55,520
the tip

1337
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:56,559
of

1338
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,599
all been getting

1339
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,280
i think that there are different types

1340
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:03,920
of entities out there uh i think one of

1341
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,599
the mistakes in the past is that people

1342
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:08,640
have lumped et's into all one category

1343
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:10,319
well we have found that there are

1344
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,160
different categories we have found that

1345
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:14,559
within these different categories there

1346
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:18,079
are different agendas uh and then

1347
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,920
there's there's other beings out there

1348
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:22,240
for example if i'm looking at ancient

1349
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:23,280
aliens

1350
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,720
basically

1351
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,720
their perspective was

1352
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:29,280
all the encounters in the bible were

1353
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:32,319
basically with et's well i think that

1354
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:34,960
there are ats i think that there is an

1355
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,680
angelic realm out there that's entirely

1356
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,240
different and i think that there is a

1357
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,160
negative realm out there that is

1358
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,640
entirely different so there's a lot to

1359
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,200
keep exploring here

1360
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,960
and roger to finish off what about

1361
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:50,240
yourself

1362
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,520
i'm sorry you broke up what was the

1363
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,680
question same question to you roger so

1364
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:55,599
again how would you answer the question

1365
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,400
what is this phenomenon i think it's us

1366
00:51:02,710 --> 00:51:01,040
i think that when you um pull time from

1367
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,720
the equation and you look at the quantum

1368
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,480
perspective around what's available

1369
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,200
there all time happens in an instant and

1370
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,839
you know all instances all time and that

1371
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,160
space of you know who are these beings

1372
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:13,920
what are these beings are they physical

1373
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,960
flesh and bone some of them are yes um

1374
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,800
are some of them light beings or some of

1375
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them you know more apparitions from the

1376
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,079
standpoint of what's understood in the

1377
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paranormal paranormal or in the

1378
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,319
spiritual and the angelic in the demonic

1379
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:28,880
these these aspects of polarity light

1380
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,000
and dark are fractal through all of life

1381
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,559
and through all of nature and they pass

1382
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:36,960
through all different forms of that

1383
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,119
experience in our experience here in

1384
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,599
third density third you know 3d in the

1385
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,240
transformation into fourth density we're

1386
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,480
experiencing you know this physical body

1387
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,640
and these five senses but in that

1388
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,559
transformation and evolution and

1389
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,280
continual evolution uh more senses come

1390
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:55,599
on board more things within our dna are

1391
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:58,160
activated more parts of our mind is used

1392
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,920
in that experience and so we shed our

1393
00:52:03,910 --> 00:52:01,760
body and

1394
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,920
that is what is available from the

1395
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,960
standpoint of understanding

1396
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,880
extraterrestrials they they are us and

1397
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:08,720
we are them in this experience when you

1398
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,040
move the idea of time we are all a

1399
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:13,839
single family line of the idea of life

1400
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,079
the first bit of life you know returning

1401
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,119
and closing in so that's my perspective

1402
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,760
roger how can people find and purchase

1403
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:23,680
and watch the observers

1404
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,200
the observers if you go to um itunes

1405
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,800
amazon

1406
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:30,160
roku

1407
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,440
google play uh any type of the the

1408
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,520
streaming video on demand services out

1409
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:37,200
there right now you'll be able to find

1410
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:39,839
it and purchase it uh it'll be up for

1411
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,160
rent here uh in the thanksgiving weekend

1412
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,839
i believe you know it'll be a good thing

1413
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,680
for the family to get around and you

1414
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,000
know stuff themselves full of tryptophan

1415
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,800
or or or you know tofurkey depending on

1416
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,359
what you're eating there and uh you know

1417
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,200
get get involved with understanding the

1418
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:57,119
world around you from the the the

1419
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:58,960
freakiest and most amazing you know

1420
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:01,119
ideas possible in that experience so

1421
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:02,640
what what a better gift that you know

1422
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:05,520
for the family at thanksgiving

1423
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:07,280
i'd like to thank you both for your time

1424
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,040
leon and roger it's been wonderful

1425
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:11,119
speaking with you and folks all those

1426
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,160
links discussed will be in the

1427
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:14,079
description for this show as well that

1428
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,160
is all for this week's show thank you

1429
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:18,319
very much for listening please remember

1430
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,319
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1433
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,520
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00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:31,839
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1440
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1441
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